ESB:Proposals/Bringing new users to ESB through the SBFW

	Proposal Archive The following proposal has been discussed and is now marked as resolved. The page has been protected and now serves as an archive. Do not edit this page. Date Resolved: August 4, 2014 Result: No action will be taken.

Introduction[]

ESB is in a really bad place right now. We've had three major contributors leave the wiki in the last week alone, and we've had arguments erupt about the pettiest things, bringing the wiki further into chaos. Before we can solve the latter problem, however, we need to address the former with a source of new editors to boost morale and prevent more users leaving. The best place to find those editors would be another SpongeBob Wikia with a large community of people who either aren't familiar with or don't regularly edit ESB. The only site that fits that description is the SpongeBob Fanon Wiki, which is the only other SpongeBob wiki that has been able to grow these past five years with little or no help from ESB. Though the wiki was removed from SpongeBobia two months ago due to what was perceived as instability, the wiki has not only gotten stable enough to rejoin, but it's even more stable than ESB at this point. Letting the wiki back into SpongeBobia will not only provide a desperately-needed stream of new contributors to both sites, but it will improve the health of SpongeBobia overall, which is relying on the already-strained resources of ESB just to function. Having the two most active SpongeBob wikis to contribute their ideas instead of just one will be essential to SpongeBobia's future success.

This brings us to FSB, the SBFW clone that AMK adopted a while back. While FSB may have seemed like a good idea in theory, it has turned out rather badly in execution. It's difficult to navigate, the article creation process as it is right now is confusing and is barely being followed by any fanon writers, and the entire staff comes from ESB, meaning as the wiki grows, they'll either have to divert the attention they would have given to ESB to it, or they'll have to let poorly made and inappropriate articles pile up, which is what's already starting to happen. The best thing for ESB, the SBFW, and SpongeBobia as a whole would be for FSB and the SBFW to merge. That way, the newly merged site can be looked over by people who actually have experience running a fanon wiki, and the current FSB staff can focus on just ESB at the time it needs them most.

The SpongeBob Fanon Wiki is already on board with joining SpongeBobia. The proposal I made about it there got 12 supports, 2 neutrals, and the only oppose came from a user who wasn't part of the wiki anymore. This runs counter to the claim that the fanon wiki hates us and wants nothing to do with us, and it makes me confident that we won't run into any more problems with them from here on out.

Give them another change. They're obviously willing to give us one. This discussion will end on Sunday, August 10 at midnight. ~JCM 08:56, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Discussion[]

Merge the fanon wikis and let SBFW join SpongeBobia[]

Extremely Strong Support - Why are you guys so worried? Let me address some of the issues you guys brought up.

Tension. Why would we have tension when all the bad users are blocked or globalled? The remaining users are nice people.
Policy merging. This won't be too much of a problem. We just need to discuss how to merge our policies and what can be compromised.
Profanity. If you guys don't care about profanity, then don't use it in your work. Simple as that. Anyway, it's not like we don't swear like sailors on the wikis that do allow it. And in SBFW's chat, all swears are filtered with a humorous emoticon.
Chat. It shouldn't be an issue. Anyway, bigger chat parties!

By merging, we can interact more and become more welcome there. We can get more help, more users will edit here, and maybe with their help, the drama will stop. There are many more positives than negatives in my eyes. Let's merge! ^{18:31,8/4/2014 Muchacha ^(W•_C)OVERTIME?!!!}

Extremely Strong Support - This is honestly the best option. FSB will be too much of a burden to us in the long run, and the SBFW staff knows how to handle fanon and handle it better than we ever could. ~JCM 08:56, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Weak Support - Meh. I am all for a merge but I don't know if we are going to be still treated wrongly. It seems the more "ruder" users aren't on there anymore so I guess it wouldn't be too bad. ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 11:54,8/4/2014
Support - This is probably the best choice. Spike the Dragon (talk) 12:21, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Support - —Road Runner1 • W • C • B
Support - I guess it's ok. Auron May the odds be ever in your favor! 02:38,8/23/2015
Extremely Strong Oppose - for several reasons:
1. The reason why there was so much chaos was because of 120d arguing about the pettiest things. 120d was blocked for 3 days and contributed very little after, and has since been blocked. The amount of discussions over the pettiest things has dropped dramatically. Our discussions list is down. Also, when we have a discussion on something petty, the issue is over after a week.
2. In the meeting yesterday, I said that any arguments would immediately closed and be brought up at the meeting and closing the case there. Thus, the "latter problem" is being solved.
3. The reason why so many people supported the proposal at SBFW was because they don't want another fanon wiki. It's not a "clone," otherwise we wouldn't have this discussion.
4. FSB has not been given a chance to grow. As more people go to FSB, it will grow.
5. Despite several people from SBFW supporting ESB contributors to help, even if ONE person doesn't want us, I feel unwelcome. Right now, they are okay with us coming over, but as soon as we start making the suggestions, we will be accusing of trying to "take over."
6. Profanity is allowed at SBFW, which is terrible for a SpongeBob wiki, if you know what I mean.
7. SpongeBobia is supposed to be cohesive and function the same throughout. We cannot have two different wikis that have two different sets of procedures. The meetings are meant as a place to address the entire network. I highly doubt the SBFW would be willing to join our meetings and follow our format.
8. In the years the wikis have existed, there has barely been any interaction anyway.
9. A unified chat room is necessary for interaction.
10. ESB (and thus FSB) has policies in place to bounce back from a period of chaos, while SBFW does not.
11. Everytime I go to SBFW, I feel like a second class citizen.

The issues that ESB has experienced are now coming to an end. I have been tired of arguing, and so I am just going to close any discussion there is an argument. I mentioned this in chat, that we can no longer let any argument slide. The only way to stop the arguments is to suppress them and bring the issue to a peaceful vote. As for FSB, we are slowly progressing, and in time, we will be what we wanted to be all along. It's the arguments that have taken a toll on focus there, and as such, my focus was toward here (while having several things to do in July). Now that things have begun to die down, I am planning on developing FSB. I just don't believe the merging would work out. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 13:18, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

But you still haven't addressed the users leaving and the conflict of FSB sharing a staff with ESB, which was the actual impetus of this proposal. How could you possibly support there being two fanon wikis when you've made it a point to unify the SpongeBob encyclopedias? Even if FSB isn't a clone like I said, having two wikis on Wikia with the exact same subject is utterly pointless. Also, what are these "policies in place to bounce back from a period of chaos" that you're talking about? Please link to where those policies are on either ESB or FSB so I can appropriately respond to them. And can you also clarify what you mean about feeling like a "second-class citizen" on SBFW? The wiki tries its best to make everyone feel welcome. ~JCM 18:25, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Extremely Strong Oppose - - The fact that we'd have to modify our rules to fit their way is absolutely not going to fly with me. Ponyo Fan (talk) 13:31, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Exactly. It seems that Ponyo will certainly shoot down so many ideas, and there will be tension. This is why I am uncomfortable with this. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 13:33, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
But...you won't have to modify your rules. None of the already-established wikis that joined SpongeBobia had any changes made to their policies. ~JCM 18:25, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Sorry for the change but AMK is very correct there. Also, one of the main users from SBFW just posted that it will be a bad idea and if they both disagree, well, it wouldn't work out. ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 13:53,8/4/2014
- What is AMK correct about, exactly? ~JCM 18:32, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Extremely Strong Oppose - - The way we'd have to make our rules appeal to them won't work with me, or if they want to stick with our rules. Spike the Dragon (talk) 17:52, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Weak Support - Nicko756 ^{(M•C•E) Sign!} 17:59, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Extremely Strong Oppose - Since the Fanon Wiki is corrupted, there corruption can move to the SpongeBobia Wiki. --Jezz55 (talk) 18:13, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
- Please elaborate on what you mean. Why do you believe the fanon wiki is corrupted? ~JCM 18:40, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
- Corrupted? It's milk and honey over there. ^{18:19,8/4/2014 Muchacha ^(W•_C)OVERTIME?!!!}

Extremely Strong Oppose - Per AMK. JosephHawk ^(T ^| ^C) 18:38, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
- What does that mean? What exactly are you agreeing with? ~JCM 18:48, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
  - All the points he listed. JosephHawk ^(T ^| ^C) 19:59, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Oppose - I think FSB should be the fresh start that it was meant to be. Over time, it will become #1. Ωniθηζ ~ [Talk] 19:46, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Let the SBFW join SpongeBobia without merging the wikis[]

Neutral - Since we'll still be linking to each other, ESB will still benefit, but it may confuse some users, along with all the other issues with FSB I've already outlined. ~JCM 08:56, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Oppose - Actually, I do rather perfer these SBFW to merge instead of having two seperate fanon wikis in the SpongeBobia since it way confuse users. ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 11:54,8/4/2014
Neutral - Nicko756 ^{(M•C•E) Sign!} 17:59, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Neutral leaning Oppose - --Jezz55 (talk) 18:13, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Weak Support - I'd prefer a merge, but this could work as well. ^{18:19,8/4/2014 Muchacha ^(W•_C)OVERTIME?!!!}

Vehemently oppose - JosephHawk ^(T ^| ^C) 18:38, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Oppose - Eh, conflicts. Let there just be 1. Ωniθηζ ~ [Talk] 19:46, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Keep things the way they are[]

Support - this will ensure there is no tension between two totally different functioning communities trying to come together. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 13:39, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Support - Things aren't that out of control now. I now fear if there was to be a merge, conflicts may occur... ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 13:53,8/4/2014
Neutral - Nicko756 ^{(M•C•E) Sign!} 17:59, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Support - It's best for everybody. Nickelodeonsbiggestfan (talk) 18:07, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Support - --Jezz55 (talk) 18:11, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
Neutral leaning Oppose - ^{18:19,8/4/2014 Muchacha ^(W•_C)OVERTIME?!!!}

Comments[]

I don't want to get involved too much as I have 0% involvement in the fanon wikis and don't wish to get involved. I will say having 2 different wikis will create conflict - things will happen. Also, this will confuse users. Which fanon wiki do we direct them to? --Spongebob456 ^talk 13:59, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
- FSB. Nickelodeonsbiggestfan (talk) 18:07, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
- If the second proposal passes, we'll have both of them. ~JCM 18:37, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Opposers, why are you like this? I'm kind of surprised of how you think SBFW is still corrupted. I'm not trying to be rude, but your views make me think you haven't seen for yourself yet. We need to be less like a Squidward clone and think positively like our hero, SpongeBob SquarePants. Thank you. ^{18:22,8/4/2014 Muchacha ^(W•_C)OVERTIME?!!!}

Yes, ESB and the SBFW have serious misconceptions about each other that can only be cleared up by letting SBFW join SpongeBobia. ~JCM 18:32, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Also, anybody who wants to add new sections to the discussion needs to ask first. If neither proposal gets the support needed to pass, things will stay the same automatically. ~JCM 18:35, August 4, 2014 (UTC)