ESB:Proposals/Unneeded categories

Open Proposal

The following is an ongoing proposal. Please feel free to voice your opinion, but be sure to follow the rules.

How proposals work

Concerns stage

Someone brings up a topic for a proposal.
The community discusses that topic.

Voting stage

The proposal is brought to a vote, taking into account any changes discussed by the community.
The community votes.

You can use any of the following prior to your comments to show your opinion.

{{Support}} • {{Neutral}} • {{Oppose}} • {{Change}} • {{Comment}} • {{Reply}} • {{Question}}
Neutral votes do not count in determining the outcome percentage.

Introduction

We have had past discussions in regards to categories, but those discussions did not make any progress:

Categories (October 10, 2012 - November 15, 2012) - discussion was abandoned.
Unneeded categories) (October 22, 2011 - November 7, 2011) - discussion was abandoned.

Over the course of time, we have developed numerous guidelines for different types of articles, many of which we have established how we categorize certain groups of articles. However, as time has gone on, there have been numerous categories that have been added and readded multiple times. It is time we establish which categories we are going to officially use and officially remove. Any category that the community wants to delete will be placed on a list and every so often, I will use my bot to sweep out those categories. It will also be a page which can be monitored so that none of those categories are recreated. As for needed categories, if any category is placed here and you feel it should be kept, say so.

Format

Use the following in each discussion below:

Keep - if you want to keep the category.
Change - if you want to change the name of the category.
Remove - if you want to delete the category.
Neutral - if you are unsure or neutral.

This discussion will be up for an undermined amount of time. Anyone can add categories here they feel need to be discussed. Once a category has been added to be discussed, after seven (7) days, an outcome will be determined. If there is no consensus to delete, it will be closed and the category will be kept.

Use the following format to put up a discussion for a certain category:

===[[:Category:<category-name>]]===
<reason why category should be deleted and/or discussed>
{{DiscussionBoxBegin}}


{{DiscussionBoxEnd}}

Once a discussion is concluded, if 75% of partcipants or more want to remove the category, it will be removed and added to a list, in which the category will be removed, deleted, and protected from creation. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 03:53, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Discussions

Place the discussions below here.

Category:Villains

As some characters show both evil and good sides, it is sometimes difficult to determine this. Additionally, I do not understand the usefulness of this category.

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 03:57, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - the villains category is pretty much a clone of the Antagonists category. --Tominator777 (talk) 04:02, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Nicko756 ^{(M•C•E) Sign!} 04:14, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - "Antagonists" sounds better. ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 04:21,11/5/2014
Keep - ZeoSpark and Tominator seem unaware of the fact that they are not the same thing. Antagonists are not always villains and vice versa. For example, there are numerous episodes that make Plankton the protagonist even though he is doing bad things. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:14, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - Joey ^(talk)
Keep - Daud2001 13:03, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - It's the same as the Antagonist category and Antagonist sounds more professional than a villain. Spike the Dragon (talk) 19:56, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Category:Crabs

I don't understand the usefulness of categorizing characters by classification. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:00, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:00, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - useless cause there isn't that many developed character crabs in the series, and we can tell that they are crabs. --Tominator777 (talk) 04:08, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Not really needed. ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 04:22,11/5/2014
Keep - I think that this is important because the point of a category is not to point out what a Character is, but to organize the page into topics. There are numerous character pages about crabs. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:17, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - Per 120d. Nicko756 ^{(M•C•E) Sign!} 05:20, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Joey ^(talk)
Keep - Per 120d Daud2001 13:03, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - There aren't many crabs in the series. Spike the Dragon (talk) 19:56, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Category:Starfish

I don't understand the usefulness of categorizing characters by classification. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:00, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:01, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - useless cause, we already know that they are Starfish from reading the page on the wiki alone, how would highlighting it with a category make a difference? --Tominator777 (talk) 04:19, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 04:25,11/5/2014
Remove - Pointlessl. Just Pointless Deathstroke's Apprentice 04:35, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - Same as the Crabs one, but with Starfish instead. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:22, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - Per 120d. Nicko756 ^{(M•C•E) Sign!} 05:27, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Joey ^(talk)
Keep - Daud2001 13:03, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Not many starfish in the series. Spike the Dragon (talk) 19:56, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Category:Humans

I don't understand the usefulness of categorizing characters by classification. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:02, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:03, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - per Andrew --Tominator777 (talk) 04:11, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 04:30,11/5/2014
Remove - Deathstroke's Apprentice
Keep - Although, I am less enthusiastic about this one, it is the same as the last two responses. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:24, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

04:35, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Keep - Joey ^(talk)
Remove - Rarely any humans are seen. Spike the Dragon (talk) 19:56, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Category:Former villains‏‎

Per the same reason for the Villains category. I don't understand the usefulness. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:05, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:05, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - this category doesn't make sense, as the show has no continuity between episodes, unlike shows, like say... Avatar: the Last Airbender. --Tominator777 (talk) 04:27, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Yeah. There isn't a reoccuring character in the series to have been an antagonist and then become fully reformed. ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 04:36,11/5/2014
{ Remove - Useless Deathstroke's Apprentice 04:57, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - I would be fine if this one goes, but for now, I want to keep it. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:25, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Joey ^(talk)
Remove - Daud2001 13:03, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Barely any characters to fit in the category. Spike the Dragon (talk) 19:56, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Category:Criminals

Similar to the villains category. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:07, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:07, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - this also seems pointless, as criminals are people in jail, again, this category wouldn't be useless though if it was on a wiki about a show with continuity like Avatar: the last airbender, where each episode continues the overall story --Tominator777 (talk) 04:33, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Meh...this category will only work for those who are currently jailed. Doesn't really work out much here. ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 04:45,11/5/2014
Keep - My response is similar to that of the Villains Category. Not all antagonists are criminals. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:26, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Joey ^(talk)
Remove - Same thing as an Antagonist. Spike the Dragon (talk) 19:56, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Category:Whales

Another unneeded classification category. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:09, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:09, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - many whales appear in the series, but does the fact they are whales need to be highlighted by a category? --Tominator777 (talk) 04:24, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 04:46,11/5/2014
Remove - As useless as the crab category. Deathstroke's Apprentice 04:59, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - Same as other classifications. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:26, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Joey ^(talk)
Remove - Not a lot of whales in the series. Spike the Dragon (talk) 19:56, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Category:Fish

Another classification category. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:13, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:13, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - this category is the most pointless category i've ever seen since the SpongeBob category, along with the fact that it was on hundreds of pages --Tominator777 (talk) 04:21, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Per Tom Deathstroke's Apprentice 04:35, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 04:50,11/5/2014
Keep - Same as other classifications. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:28, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Joey ^(talk)
Remove - Spike the Dragon (talk) 19:56, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Category:Elderly Citizens

I don't understand the usefulness. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:29, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:29, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Deathstroke's Apprentice 04:36, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - how would this category ever be needed, you can usually tell an elder fish from the picture alone! not just reading the article. --Tominator777 (talk) 04:41, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 04:51,11/5/2014
Keep - There are numerous characters that are in this category. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:28, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Joey ^(talk)
Remove - Daud2001 13:03, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Category:Ancestor

We don't need relationship categories. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:58, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:58, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - It doesn't work here. ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 05:02,11/5/2014
Remove - this category wouldn't be so bad, but there was one episode that proves my point home, Big Sister Sam, when Patrick said he didn't have a sister in "Something Smells". --Tominator777 (talk) 05:14, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - I think we need relationship categories because they help the users know the relationships. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:29, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Joey ^(talk)
Keep - Daud2001 13:03, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Category:Deceased

We don't need to categorize characters that are deceased. If they died in one episode, and appear in other episodes, are they still considered deceased? This is a vauge category. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:58, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 04:58, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 05:03,11/5/2014
Remove - per what i said about the former villians category --Tominator777 (talk) 05:12, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - Nicko756 ^{(M•C•E) Sign!} 05:18, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Deathstroke's Apprentice 05:22, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - Deceased refers to characters who are deceased in present day (Example: SpongeBuck), not characters like Scooter who died in Bubble Buddy, but was seen in other episodes. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:39, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - Joey ^(talk)

Category:Grand Nephews

We don't need all these relationship categories. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:25, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:25, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - I think we need relationship categories because they help the users know the relationships. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:30, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

They can find out the relationships in the articles. Besides, if someone sees the category "Grand Nephews," it only shows that the character is a grand nephew, but it doesn't show whom they are a grand nephew. Therefore, there is no point in having such a category — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:31, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

That's why they go to the page. To find out who the character is a grand nephew of. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:34, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

This would apply to every male whose grandfather had siblings. They can just find the relationships on the character's article. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:35, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

There are two reasons for a category to classify and to organize. Relationships follow more of a classification. They can find it in the article, but that is not the point of the category. The point is to say, "These are the characters who are grand nephews of other characters." People may ask who are they the grand nephew of, which can be solved by clicking on the picture of the article or character. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:43, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

per my point on Great Grand Nephews --Tominator777 (talk) 05:36, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Joey ^(talk)
Remove - Daud2001 13:03, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Not useful...ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 13:05,11/5/2014

Category:Mothers

We don't need all these relationship categories. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:25, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:25, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - I think we need relationship categories because they help the users know the relationships. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:32, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - the article would say weather the character is a mother or not, i don't know why a category for this is "needed" though. --Tominator777 (talk) 05:32, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Joey ^(talk)
Remove - Daud2001 13:03, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Doesn't sound like it would work here. ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 13:06,11/5/2014

Category:Great Grand Nephews

We don't need all these relationship categories. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:25, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:25, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - I think we need relationship categories because they help the users know the relationships. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:34, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - ok, characters like this in the series tend to be small, plus, why is a category for this exist, the article would weather it is or not, so a category for this would be pointless. --Tominator777 (talk) 05:35, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Joey ^(talk)
Remove - Daud2001 13:03, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 13:07,11/5/2014

Category:Grandsons

We don't need all these relationship categories. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:25, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:25, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - I think we need relationship categories because they help the users know the relationships. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:35, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - why is this a category, you know, most users will know who is the grandson of who by just reading the page itself, it doesn't need to be highlighted by a category --Tominator777 (talk) 05:46, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Joey ^(talk)
Remove - Daud2001 13:03, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Not needed. ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 13:10,11/5/2014

Category:Pets

Another useless category. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:29, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:29, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - actually, this would be a good category, that is, if it didn't say it on the page, in the way it is, it makes this category redundant --Tominator777 (talk) 05:48, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Joey ^(talk)
Remove - ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 13:10,11/5/2014

Category:Snails

Another classification category we don't need. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:29, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:29, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - Same as other classifications. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:44, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - as i said many times above with these types of categories, not needed, if you want to know which characters are snails, click through the characters or ask someone who watched the show before, plus why is the fact that they're snails important enough for a category? --Tominator777 (talk) 05:51, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Joey ^(talk)
Keep - Daud2001 13:03, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Neutral - Honestly, I'm not sure. Though, this category is being used on those Snail pages that don't have any confirmed names. ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 13:12,11/5/2014

Category:Sponges

Another classification category we don't need. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:29, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:29, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - Same as other classifications. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:44, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - not needed, why would the fact that they're Sponges be important enough for a category? --Tominator777 (talk) 05:53, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Joey ^(talk)
Remove - ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 13:14,11/5/2014

Category:Octopuses

Another classification category we don't need. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:29, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:29, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - Same as other classifications. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:44, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - not needed, why would the fact that they're octopuses be important enough to be highlighted by a category? --Tominator777 (talk) 05:55, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Joey ^(talk)
Keep - Daud2001 13:03, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 13:14,11/5/2014

Category:Monsters

Another classification category we don't need. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:29, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:29, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - Same as other classifications. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:45, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - not needed, why would the fact that they're monsters be important enough to be highlighted by a category? --Tominator777 (talk) 05:57, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - Joey ^(talk)
Neutral - Hmm...not sure. Monsters are uncommon in the series so it may be good to have a category to identify them (such as the Evil Alien Jellyfish Overlord).

Category:Descendants

We don't need all these relationship categories. Besides, everyone is a descendant of someone. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:29, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:29, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Keep - I think we need relationship categories because they help the users know the relationships. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:38, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

We have the category "Characters," in which all are descendants... a bit redundant, don't you think? — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 05:40, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

According to yours and some other users logic, we don't even need the characters category because we can just see that they are characters. You probably won't be giving up that category anytime soon. Also, you have been to the relationships category pages right? If so, you'd know that it is just descendants of known characters. 120d Talk Contribs 120d 05:48, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Characters is a useful category because it lists all characters, as does the "Episodes" category for episodes. They are broad categories that cover a specific group of articles. It is pointless to break down a bunch of different categories of numerous things. What's next? Category:Characters who have eaten a Krabby Patty? — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 06:06, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Remove - Andrew makes a good point, everyone in the main show, are all decedents, meaning, this category is doomed from the start. --Tominator777 (talk) 05:58, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - Joey ^(talk)
Remove - Daud2001 13:03, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Remove - ZeoSpark Talk Contribs Edits 13:17,11/5/2014

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